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- W2011796228 abstract "IN PHRONESIS 4 (i959), 44-54., Mr. J. Gosling puts forward an interpretation of one section of Plato's discussion of false pleasures in the Philebus (36c-4ib). I wish to challenge certain points in his interpretation, and to suggest an alternative account which, I believe, attributes rather less confusion of thought to Plato. In his first paragraph, Mr. Gosling suggests that all false pleasures of the three types discussed by Plato are pleasures of anticipation. This is surely a mistake. The third type of false pleasure listed by Plato is pleasure which in reality is nothing but the absence of pain, which is misclassified by certain philosophers as pleasure. It is surely clear that present absence of pain could be so misclassified no less than future absence. That this type of false pleasure is in fact a contemporary, and not an anticipated, pleasure is suggested by Plato's language at 44a4f, where he is describing how its peculiar type of falsity arises. (EQ. H6oTpov oNv XaL X0Lp?Lv oZovTxLt t6r 6txv U1) XUT7ro L; HPQ.. pca' yoi3v.) Further, Plato makes a distinction between the false pleasures of the first type, which are +euae Zv e'V 'oclqrv oVOpC0iTcoV kuXctc Bovox (4oc ), and the false pleasures of the third type which are Bov ..'... rV T0OZ 4X064 (42c6). In the context, 'pleasures in men's souls' are pleasures of anticipation (cf. the argument of 32a-36c, and especially 39d2), and it is surely not accidental that a different phrase is used to refer to pleasures of the third kind. Mr. Gosling seems therefore mistaken in believing that it is only to pleasures of anticipation that Plato is prepared to attribute falseness.' He may have been led into this mistake through thinking that Socrates agrees with Protarchus' assertion (36es-Io) that in no circumstances does a man ever think that he is enjoying himself when he is not. It is not clear from his article whether Mr. Gosling really thinks this; but one might well be led into thinking it because in the section under discussion Socrates twice insists that a pleasure's being false does not imply that it is not really a pleasure any more than a belief's being false implies that it is not really a belief (37b2, 4od7). However, both Socrates'" @default.
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- W2011796228 title "False Pleasures in the PHILEBUS: A Reply to Mr Gosling" @default.
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